(response to The Asker’s post here: http://jibenow.com/david/)
“Ok so for a movie to Honor God then it has to be perfect.”
Oh David, I wonder if you’re reading what I’m writing. *sigh* Perfection is not attainable for anyone. Therefore to Honor God (as He commands) doesn’t mean following the letter of the law, but instead the Spirit. What does the Spirit of The Law tell us to do? “Flee youthful lusts!”
FLEE!! RUN from the theater with ALL HASTE in obedience to the Word of God. Watching evil scenes to “learn good” is nothing short of compromise. And “Woe!!” to you that compromise as Christians.
2 Corinthians 6:17,18 “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, … saith the Lord Almighty.”
Touch not the unclean thing!!! TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING!!!!!
David, this verse requires not revision: this (as the rest of the Bible) is plain. english.
If a movie glorifies sin, tempts you to sin, or in any way goes against what the Bible says, CUT IT OFF! FLEE FROM IT! TOUCH IT NOT! (all from the (unchanged, un-re-reinterpreted) Word of God.
“I’m still confused how honoring and glorifying are different.”
To Honor is to obey (and love) - to glorify is to praise.
“You didn’t respond to my argument that temptation is different for different people.”
You are not ignorant of Satan’s devices. (2 Corinthians 2:11)
“If you think your going to be tempted to do more bad than good, by all means don’t watch the movie. Just don’t be a perfectionist.”
Perfectionism is for Jesus! I’d rather honor God by meditating on His Word, and watching movies that don’t glorify sin, like Fireproof!
“You’re saying “Because the movie is not making you as good as it could therefor you should not watch it.””
Nope, I’m saying if the movie tempts you to sin, or hurts your Christian testimony, you should not watch it.
“You are making the assumption that something cannot both honor God in one way and dishonor God in another.”
I make no assumptions. Your premise is that compromise is good. I’ve already shot down your one (half-of-a) Bible verse supporting that. You didn’t even attempt to ressurect that Bible verse in your last post.
“Since in total the damage done is much worse than the edification therefor you shouldn’t read the magazine.”
^Human comparison not based on scripture ^ Because this decision is not based on Scripture, your standards WILL change. Sorry, David, but your criterion by which you judge movies is not based on The Solid Rock of Scripture God has given us. Therefore, it is wrong.
“translation is “changing God’s words.”
No. Translation is necessary only to change the Words from one language to another. As nothing I have posted thus far is in arameic, or hebrew, and is instead written in plain english, it is not in need of “re-reinterpretation”. Thank you, though!
“And that is the purpose of media: To communicate the truth in a way that the world will embrace.”
The world will not embrace The Truth. Jesus gave The Truth, without compromise, remember? He was crucified. We are to be different from the World as Jesus was. Unity at the sake of our convictions is too great a price to pay.
“The reason I haven’t brought up verses is because you have done that for me and I’m just using those to support my arguments.”
The only verse you’ve quoted thus far was cut in half, and mis-interpreted (as i clearly pointed out (unrefuted) last post).
“Should we willingly subject ourselves to evil? Wrong question… Nothing is purely evil.”
Sin is purely evil.
I notice, once again, that you did not answer the question.
“The question is: how much evil should we subject ourselves to?”
None. The Bible says it. Everywhere. Once again, David, you deny the power of Christ to keep us from sinful movies – while feeding us with His Words. “All Scripture… is profitable for reproof for correction, for instruction in rightousness. That the man of God may be perfect.” (2 timothy 3:16) You also deny the duty of Christians, to Love the Lord God with all our hearts!! (“If you love me, keep my commandments!”)
“Does this mean that because anything we create is imperfect and therefor we should never write anything?”
If what is written does not line up with the teachings of God’s Word, we are to flee it. That’s all I, or the Bible itself has ever argued.
If we honor Christ, and don’t glorify sin by condoning it- The movie can be good.
Luther is awesome.
Perhaps you saw another version other than the one I and Pluggedinonline.com did. “Luther and his wife are shown in bed (wearing nightclothes with little exposure).” Not my definition of a “bed scene”, actually.
(http://www.pluggedin.com/videos/2004/Q3/Luther.aspx)
”In regards to the last verse you posted, (Mathew 5:30)… its talking about church discipline so I don’t see how it applies.”
Apparently you got the wrong Bible verse… this one has absolutely nothing to do with Church Discipline, but Christian Discipline. Allow me to paste the whole thing for context:
“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.”
‘nuf said.
“You are judging a book by its chapter.”
Yep, if a chapter has evil in it, and we pretend that the movie glorifies God, then sinners see this and think that their evil is justifiable to God as well! “I don’t have to worry! I saw this sin in a Christian movie and the movie painted it as alright!”
“Yet as all my sources state, [The book of eli] does honor God.”
I only value one source, the Word of Jesus Christ. If others contradict the Word of God, they are wrong. No matter what their credentials or how many there are.
Accepting evil to get good is a sin as
“The end does not justify the means.”